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henry

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Ida and climate change = big spending
« on: September 08, 2021, 03:45:14 PM »
So, the Dims are at again.  Exploitation of a hurricane, climate change and our deteriorating infrastructure.  We can't stop this weather, but by God, we can make the sewers better to handle rainfall.  Or something to that effect.

Biden stated that we can't reverse climate change, but can stop it from progressing.  Bullshit I say.  To think the US can quell a long-term, global weather phenomenon is flat out crazy.  It's just a prelude to introduce the idiocy of the New Green Deal (the great equalizer).

All this among the almost forgotten Afghanistan mess and COVID.  Moving, crouching and deflecting... right out of the Mohammed Ali play book.
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Re: Ida and climate change = big spending
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2021, 04:15:07 PM »
If human technology can control the climate, why haven't they done it yet?  ???  It would've saved thousands of lives every year, especially those minorities the dems care so much about.  That's the question every liberal should ask whenever their leader brings up fighting the climate change.

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2021, 05:05:22 PM »
sonic, spot on.  The US has made great and costly strides to be clean, especially since 1970. 

Climate change is a global issue.  Asian countries basically "gas" their folks in the pursuit of wealth.  If anything can make the planet better, it would be requiring the foreign polluters to adhere to emissions rules.  But somehow, it's the US feeling the heat.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

China pretty much shut down their industries so the 2008 Olympics could be held.   Troubling and sad to think about the people that inhale that crap air for all their lives.

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Re: Ida and climate change = big spending
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2021, 05:49:01 PM »
Was thinking about having a little fun, so I googled the World's largest polluters. This is one of the many that came up. (Have a go at it and 'eat your heart out)

Top 10 polluters

However, the most part of this pollution comes from just a few countries: China, for example, generates around 30% of all global emissions, while the United States is responsible for almost 14%.In the ranking below you can find the 10 countries that produce the most emissions, measured in Millions of tons of CO2 in 2019.

1. China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
2. United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2
3. India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
4. Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
5. Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
6. Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
7. Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
8. South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
9. Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
10. Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2

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Re: Ida and climate change = big spending
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2021, 07:58:40 PM »
Was thinking about having a little fun, so I googled the World's largest polluters.
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measured in Millions of tons of CO2 in 2019.
Why do you call CO2 pollutant?

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 10:06:35 PM »
Was thinking about having a little fun, so I googled the World's largest polluters.
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measured in Millions of tons of CO2 in 2019.
Why do you call CO2 pollutant?

What are you trying to imply?

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Re: Ida and climate change = big spending
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2021, 10:08:31 PM »
No implications, just a plain question.
Your answer would be...?

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Re: Ida and climate change = big spending
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2021, 11:03:24 AM »
I am aware that we humans and other living creatures breath out CO2.

Ever tried breathing in loads of CO2? Put a plastic bag over your head and seal it ;) . See how long you can live with this non-pollutant.

Nature has given us plants to convert our CO2 back into oxygen, but in many parts of the world, nature can not keep up with the CO2 'production' of our industries and other fuel burning devices. A BALANCE WOULD BE NEEDED.

Is CO2 a major pollutant?

Carbon dioxide's role in the greenhouse effect is a major contributor to air pollution. Radiation and heat emanating from the earth's surface need to be released out into the atmosphere. But because carbon dioxide levels are so high, there is an ozone effect on the ground level.

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 01:35:13 PM »
CO2 isn't one of the criteria pollutants regulated by the EPA.  Ground-level ozone is created by the presence of NOx, VOC and sun light, not CO2.

From a health perspective (if one is concerned about premature deaths), here is a list of the most polluted countries on Earth.  This list is pretty consistent with other rankings in case one may suspect bias.

https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries

Top five are:

Bangladesh   
Pakistan
India
Mongolia
Afghanistan

CO2 is considered a greenhouse gas and global warming has been associated with it.  Then global warming morphed into climate change when the stats didn't work for certain political parties.  But remember, a climate trend isn't a trend until after multiple centuries have passed.  100 years is just a blip.

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2021, 02:17:03 PM »
Yes Henry, you are right. If I search for the most POLUTTED countries, that what I find also.

If I search for the most POLLUTING countries, this is what I find.

https://healthyhumanlife.com/blogs/news/top-polluting-countries


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Re: Ida and climate change = big spending
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2021, 03:18:16 PM »
I am aware that we humans and other living creatures breath out CO2.

Ever tried breathing in loads of CO2? Put a plastic bag over your head and seal it ;) . See how long you can live with this non-pollutant.
::)  By your logic, our excrement should be called pollutant because see how long you can live by eating it.

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Nature has given us plants to convert our CO2 back into oxygen, but in many parts of the world, nature can not keep up with the CO2 'production' of our industries and other fuel burning devices.
B.S.  Higher CO2 makes plants to grow faster and stay healthier.
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Is CO2 a major pollutant?
Not at all.
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Carbon dioxide's role in the greenhouse effect is a major contributor to air pollution.
Incorrect.  Water vapor is the main contributor of greenhouse effect.  But you won't get that info when you tune to the mainstream media and the likes. 

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Radiation and heat emanating from the earth's surface need to be released out into the atmosphere. But because carbon dioxide levels are so high, there is an ozone effect on the ground level.
You should take a look at the CO2 level chart since the industrial revolution and the global surface temperature record since then.  CO2 has increased steadily but the global surface temperature has gone up and down.  If what you are saying is correct, they both should exhibit same slope in the graph but they don't.  But again, you won't know this when you tune to the mainstream media and the likes.

For the sake of semantics, carbon monoxide is one of air pollutants.  https://www.cdc.gov/air/pollutants.htm

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2021, 03:39:38 PM »
Then global warming morphed into climate change when the stats didn't work for certain political parties.
Exactly.  If you look at Al Gore's movie The Inconvenient Truth, it was all about the warming what will melt the icecaps and our cities will be flooded.  After the movie came out, the warming trend stopped and the temperature went down.  So they uttered the phrase "global warming pause" and "global warming slowdown" while the CO2 level continued to increase.  Then they (displaced communists after the fall of Berlin Wall) decided to come up with a title that can fit all variations thus the phrase "climate change" as if the climate isn't supposed to change.  It's a scam.  As the saying goes, "When in doubt, follow the money" and sure enough, it's about the money, i.e. carbon tax.